four very similar [basic]

does it make any different which die j. captures? this isn't deep.


Player: ElihuRoot *Dead Dude* *Fanatic* 
Button Man: Famine    Score: 65 (28 sides)   Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 2 / 1 / 0 (out of 3 round(s))
Captured Dice: Weak X Swing 13-sided die, 10-sided die, Twin Die (both with 12 sides)

Dice	8-sided die	Twin Die (both with 12 sides)	Weak X Swing (with 4 sides)
Value	2	12	2
Dice	6-sided die	8-sided die
Value	6	8

* Next Turn * Player: jthurley * Next Turn *
Button Man: Famine    Score: 23 (-28 sides)   Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 1 / 2 / 0

Did I mention I hate Mood Swings?

At least this time, I wasn't the one with the tricky calculation. Which die should d. capture?This isn't necessarily HARD [though it's different face-to-face than on the website, since the values the Y swing can take are different], but I find it conceptually confusing -- the size of the Y swing if it rerolls makes a difference in the victory conditions and in the
probability of success.

it's from Game  727223






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* Next Turn * Player: dakeyras *Lamb* * Next Turn *
Button Man: Scorpion    Score: 40 (-3.6 sides)   Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 2 / 2 / 0 (out of 3 round(s))
Captured Dice: 8-sided die, 16-sided die, 12-sided die

Dice	4-sided die	Focus 4-sided die
Value	3	2
Dice	8-sided die	Y Mood Swing (with 11 sides)
Value	5	5

Player: ElihuRoot *Dead Dude* *Fanatic* 
Button Man: MothMan    Score: 45.5 (3.6 sides)   Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 2 / 2 / 0
Captured Dice: 20-sided die, Focus 12-sided die, 4-sided die

Jim M. submits the following queer puzzle

What to capture first? It's made even more tricky by the fact that, even if you roll safely,
you *might* have to roll a second time...

Player: jimmosk *Classically Fuzzy* *Bronze Medal in Men's Bars* *Bronze Medal in Men's Judo*

Your Button Man: RandomBM (^2 6 Gq8 ^8 Gq12) 
Score: 32 (-1.6 sides) 

Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 2 / 0 / 0 (Out of 3 wins)

Your Captured Dice: Twin Die (both with 10 sides), Berserk Queer 6-sided die

Queer 12-sided die		Time and Space 8-sided die
1		4 Captured last turn
Queer 8-sided die	Queer 8-sided die	Queer 5-sided die
5	7	3

Opponent: lephantman13 *Perfect Memory*

Button Man: RandomBM (qB6 q8 q8 qB10 (10,10)) 

Score: 34.5 (1.6 sides) 
Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 0 / 2 / 0

Captured Dice: Time and Space 2-sided die, 6-sided die, Queer 8-sided die, Time and Space 8-sided die

no question here, just a simple position.

At first, I thought rerolling the d10(v9) was a certain losing position, but if it rolls an 8 there's a slight chance of winning. Still, rolling the d12(v2) is at least a little better, isn't it? Rolling either an 8 or a  12 gives some hope [not much in either case, but both are better than the d10 rolling an 8]

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* Next Turn * Player: lephantman13 *Perfect Memory* * Next Turn *
Button Man: Ron Graham    Score: 34 (-8.6 sides)   Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 0 / 1 / 0 (out of 3 round(s))
Captured Dice: Option 10/20 20-sided die

Dice	Konstant 6-sided die	10-sided die	12-sided die
Value	4	9	2
Dice	10-sided die	Option 4/10 (with 10 sides)	Option 6/10 (with 10 sides)	Option 10/12 (with 12 sides)
Value	5	4	1	12

Player: ElihuRoot *Dead Dude* *Fanatic* 
Button Man: Cesare    Score: 47 (8.6 sides)   Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 1 / 0 / 0
Captured Dice: 20-sided die, V Mood Swing 6-sided die

twin die d(6,6) vs. vanilla d12 -- which to reroll?

haven't done the math yet -- and it's probably pretty close -- but the tension to me is hat
the twin die rolls a little higher on average, but also is less likely to roll a "12".

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Skills in this game: Twin, Reserve, X Swing

Player: ElihuRoot *Dead Dude* *Fanatic*
Your Button Man: Krosp (4 (6,6) 12 12 X)   Score: 42 (14.6 sides)   Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 0 / 0 / 0 (Out of 3 wins)
Your Captured Dice: Twin Die (both with 10 sides), 4-sided die

Twin Die (both with 6 sides)	12-sided die	12-sided die		X Swing (with 7 sides)
9	5	10		3 Captured last turn
6-sided die	12-sided die
6	11

Opponent: theAlmighty *heavenly* *Silver Medal in Men's Basketball* *Silver Medal in Men's Fencing* *Silver Medal in Men's Judo* *Gold Medal in Men's Table Tennis*
Button Man: Cammy Neko (4 6 12 (10,10) r12 r20 r20 r(8,8))   Score: 20 (-14.6 sides)   Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 0 / 0 / 0
Captured Dice: 4-sided die, X Swing 7-sided die

what's better? Capturing the bigger die or rerolling the bigger vulnerable die?

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Skills in this game: Option, Focus, V Swing

Player: ElihuRoot *Dead Dude* *Fanatic*
Your Button Man: Oni (4 10 f12 f12 V)   Score: 31 (-3.3 sides)   Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 1 / 1 / 0 (Out of 3 wins)
Your Captured Dice: 12-sided die, Option 6/12 6-sided die

4-sided die	10-sided die	Focus 12-sided die		Focus 12-sided die
2	5	1		9 Captured last turn
10-sided die	12-sided die	Option 4/12 (with 4 sides)
7	6	1

Opponent: lephantman13 *Perfect Memory*
Button Man: Mischa (10 12 12 4/12 6/12)   Score: 36 (3.3 sides)   Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 1 / 1 / 0
Captured Dice: V Swing 11-sided die, Focus 12-sided die

Iago and Bill and Diro and Chang [not a problem, just an observation because of a recent game involving Chang]

These are not completely equivalent, but
(A) after 1200-1900 games, why should Iago have a 4% better record than Dirgo? Is it their respective button groups? [should look at the breakdown of their games by opposing button, and somehow renormalize]
With a  probability of winning of about 40,  the standard deviation after 1200 games would be  about 0.7 %
of course that assumes the games are independent, and all are 40%, etc. -- still 4% is nearly 6 standard deviations...

(B) Chang seems *way* too low, doesn't it? the option dice aren't as simple as an X-swing but
you have so many more options here, including NO twenty-sided dice, or having one 2 sided die
[you could have  20 20 20 4, 20 20 20 8, or 20 20 20 20  which captures much of the power of the 20 20 20 X recipes -- but you ALSO have 20 20 20 2, and 2 8 20 20, and all sort of other variants that could be very useful.] I do suspect that Chang is easier  to misplay, but, with perfect play has the potential to do about as well and maybe even a bit better than Dirgo/Iago.

103	Chang (TL)	2/20 2/20 4/20 8/20	Fantasy	1270	2314	3584	35.43%
93	Bill (TL)	20 20 20 (V,V)	Dork Victory	1639	2069	3708	44.2%
51	Iago (TL)	20 20 20 X	Soldiers	1935	2541	4476	43.23%
158	Dirgo (TL)	20 20 20 X	Majesty	1210	1875	3085	39.22%