uses of the trip die

one thing that's striking about the trip die skill is how infrequently one uses it -- about the only time you see trip attacks made is when there's no other possible attack available. There are, however, rare occasions when a trip attack might be better than other possible attacks.

Is this such an exception? If i. doesn't force my 10-sided die with value 10 to reroll, he's *almost* certain to lose.

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Tournament #13753: Chastity! Current Round: Round 2. (organized by alaric)

This game was last modified on Mon Jun 1, 2009 06:28:34

* Next Turn * Player: irilyth *Poisonous Turtle* *Silver Medal in Men's 100 Meter Dash* * Next Turn *
Button Man: Chastity    Score: 24 (-15.3 sides)   Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 2 / 2 / 0 (out of 3 round(s))
Captured Dice: 10-sided die, 6-sided die

Dice	Trip 6-sided die	10-sided die
Value	4	8
Dice	Trip 6-sided die	10-sided die	X Swing (with 10 sides)
Value	5	10	5

Player: ElihuRoot *Dead Dude* *Fanatic* 
Button Man: Chastity    Score: 47 (15.3 sides)   Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 2 / 2 / 0
Captured Dice: X Swing 18-sided die, 10-sided die, 6-sided die

Has it really been a month?

What do you think? Should I take the poison, and keep my 12-sided button safe for another turn; or should I take the Plasma{Chance} and reroll my 12-sided die? you can even make a case for taking the Place{Focus} with a six-sided die. What about the morphing die -- is there a case for taking that?



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Tournament #13739: revenge on the stats tournament for lephantman13 Current Round: Round 2. (organized by glassonion)

Lephantman13's ten worst buttons using which he has played at least 4 games. If you are lephantman13, join this tournament immediately and choose your button as you like. Other players: please hold off on joining until Monday night (U.S. Eastern) so the named player has a chance to join. When you do join, you *must* choose your button randomly.

Skills in this game: Twin, Option, Mood Swing, Chance, Stealth, Focus, Stinger, Morphing, Null, Plasma, Poison, Trip, X Swing, Speed
Player: ElihuRoot *Dead Dude* *Fanatic*
Your Button Man: Farrell (10 12 6/20 6/20 8/12) Score: 24 (-1.3 sides) Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 0 / 1 / 0 (Out of 3 wins)
Your Captured Dice: Plasma {Trip} 12-sided die

12-sided die	Option 6/20 (with 6 sides)	Option 6/20 (with 6 sides)		10-sided die
10	6	6		7 Captured last turn
Plasma {Chance} 12-sided die	Plasma {Focus} 12-sided die	Plasma {Poison} 12-sided die	Plasma {Morphing} X Swing (with 4 and 4 sides)
7	5	3	4

Opponent: Dribbleflop *Kernel Panic'd*
Button Man: inundator (P{c,d}12 P{f,z}12 P{t,g}12 P{p,n}12 P{m,?}X) Score: 26 (1.3 sides) Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 1 / 0 / 0
Captured Dice: Option 8/12 12-sided die, 10-sided die

Select an attack: Power Attack Skill Attack

what should jocke do first?

If I had more on the ball, I would have saved the position before my last focus die maneuver -- it was one of the Crab positions that I love so well, where one has the option of either getting initiative or leaving the 20-sided die safe [at least for the first turn]. Do you think I did the right thing?

But the question now is what Jocke should do. Do you think he should take my die with value 10? or should he go for the 20-sider with value 1 right now?


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Tournament #13584: L5R vs Samurai Bash Current Round: Round 2. (organized by Jocke)

8-player single-elimination tourney

This game was last modified on Tue Mar 24, 2009 01:06:46

Player: ElihuRoot *Dead Dude* *Fanatic*
Button Man: Crab Score: 35 (2 sides) Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 1 / 0 / 0 (out of 3 round(s))
Captured Dice: None

Dice	8-sided die	10-sided die	12-sided die	Focus 20-sided die	Focus 20-sided die
Value	2	2	10	16	1
Dice	6-sided die	Focus 8-sided die (dizzy)	Focus 10-sided die (dizzy)	20-sided die	20-sided die
Value	5	1	1	5	13

* Next Turn * Player: Jocke * Next Turn *
Button Man: Mantis Score: 32 (-2 sides) Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 0 / 1 / 0
Captured Dice: None

Results from last turn:
The Focus 10-sided die showing 10 is turned down to 1.
Jocke turned down his focus dice.
Jocke gained the initative with his Focus Dice.

didn't we do one like this a year ago?

Again, it's not too hard to do the math explicitly here, but the intuition is what I'm after.

irilyth has a choice; he can take my 4-sided die, or my 12-sided die. Which is better? If they both were showing the same value, it would be a no-brainer,but since the 4-sided die has a slightly higher value, there's some tradeoff here. is it enough? What if the 12-sided die had value 2, instead?


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Tournament #13769: Scorpion! Current Round: Round 1. (organized by alaric)

This game was last modified on Mon Mar 2, 2009 14:01:06

Player: ElihuRoot *Dead Dude* *Fanatic*
Button Man: Scorpion Score: 28 (-8 sides) Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 1 / 2 / 0 (out of 3 round(s))
Captured Dice: Focus 12-sided die, Focus 4-sided die, 4-sided die

Dice	4-sided die	Focus 12-sided die
Value	4	3
Dice	4-sided die	20-sided die
Value	1	20

* Next Turn * Player: irilyth *Poisonous Turtle* *Silver Medal in Men's 100 Meter Dash* * Next Turn *
Button Man: Scorpion Score: 40 (8 sides) Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 2 / 1 / 0
Captured Dice: 20-sided die, Focus 4-sided die, 4-sided die

Results from last turn:
ElihuRoot is performing a power attack with a Focus 12-sided die showing 4,
targeting irilyth's 4-sided die showing 4.

The Focus 12-sided die is rerolled and the new value is 3.

ElihuRoot takes irilyth's die.

Is the answer obvious? [fighting rikachu]

We all know -- or at least should know -- that, in most situations in which you can't afford to lose anyANY more dice, (and all your dice are safe before the reroll, there's no shadow dice involved, etc,) you're best off rerolling the largest one -- i.e. the probability it will roll high enough to be safe is best.

But what if you can afford to lose ONE die and still win. This just came up for me today in the game below. If I lose any one die, I win, but if I lose any two dice, I lose.

option 1: roll the 10-sided die first. its chance of survival is best, and if it does get captured,
the smaller die (the 8-sided die, no doubt) will at least be rerolling in a safer environment with fewer 1-sided dice to capture it.

option 2: roll the 8-sided die first. it's more likely to get captured, but at least then, the 10-sided die will be left for the last roll or two, with relatively the best chance of survivial.

option 3: it doesn't matter, the chance of success is the same either way. [of course, assuming you aren't so foolish as to reroll the 6 sided die]

it's actually not too hard to do the math on this -- but it's worthwhile to try to intuit the answer first, and THEN do the math (if you think it's necessary) .

Tournament #13739: revenge on the stats tournament for lephantman13 Current Round: Round 1. (organized by glassonion)

Lephantman13's ten worst buttons using which he has played at least 4 games. If you are lephantman13, join this tournament immediately and choose your button as you like. Other players: please hold off on joining until Monday night (U.S. Eastern) so the named player has a chance to join. When you do join, you *must* choose your button randomly.

Skills in this game: Option, Y Swing
Player: ElihuRoot *Dead Dude* *Fanatic*
Your Button Man: Farrell (10 12 6/20 6/20 8/12) Score: 32 (8 sides) Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 0 / 0 / 0 (Out of 3 wins)
Your Captured Dice: Y Swing 20-sided die

10-sided die	Option 6/20 (with 6 sides)	Option 8/12 (with 8 sides)		Option 6/20 (with 6 sides)
8	6	7		3 Captured last turn
1-sided die	1-sided die	1-sided die	1-sided die
1	1	1	1

Opponent: irilyth *Poisonous Turtle* *Silver Medal in Men's 100 Meter Dash*
Button Man: Rikachu (1 1 1 1 Y) Score: 20 (-8 sides) Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 0 / 0 / 0
Captured Dice: 12-sided die, Option 6/20 6-sided die

Select an attack: Power Attack Skill Attack

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does alaric lower the boom on me now? or should he wait?

he needs to keep the 20-sided die to win. so he shouldn't reroll it, right?

but if he doesn't, MY 20 sided die has the chance to reroll above him. which is better?

Tournament Legal challenge, copying communication from game 663835
This game was last modified on Thu Feb 12, 2009 13:49:43

* Next Turn * Player: alaric *Sci-Fied* *Silver Medal in Men's Boxing* *Silver Medal in Men's Marathon* *Silver Medal in Men's Synchronized Swimming* *Gold Medal in Men's Wrestling* * Next Turn *
Button Man: Sven Score: 19 (-22 sides) Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 2 / 2 / 1 (out of 3 round(s))
Captured Dice: 4-sided die

Dice	4-sided die	Option 6/10 (with 6 sides)	Queer 20-sided die
Value	4	2	14
Dice	6-sided die	Speed 10-sided die	20-sided die	X Swing (with 4 sides)
Value	2	7	8	2

Player: ElihuRoot *Dead Dude* *Fanatic*
Button Man: Darwin Score: 52 (22 sides) Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 2 / 2 / 1
Captured Dice: Queer 20-sided die, Option 8/12 12-sided die

2 options, writ small

Should I take his 6-sided die with mine, or should I reroll my 8 sided die?
can you see the arguments either way? the dice are small enough in this case and we're close enough to the end, that it's not too hard to do the full calculation, but the basic decision between these two sorts of options seems to come up again and again.

Tournament #13750: revenge of the stats -- tasha Current Round: Round 1. (organized by tasha)

I took too long to log in to join the tournament glassonion created, but she was kind enough to tell me what to do! Choose randomly from the buttons below and have fun!

Skills in this game: Focus, Reserve
Player: ElihuRoot *Dead Dude* *Fanatic*
Your Button Man: Jedite (6 6 12 12 4 r6 r6 8) Score: 41 (2.6 sides) Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 0 / 2 / 0 (Out of 3 wins)
Your Captured Dice: 20-sided die, Focus 12-sided die

6-sided die	4-sided die	8-sided die		6-sided die
5	2	4		1 Captured last turn
4-sided die	4-sided die	Focus 6-sided die
1	3	5

Opponent: mbs808
Button Man: Unicorn (4 4 f6 f12 20) Score: 37 (-2.6 sides) Rounds Won/Lost/Tied: 2 / 0 / 0
Captured Dice: 12-sided die, 12-sided die, 6-sided die